https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/31-emotionally-healthy-kids-with-maureen-healy/id1089395706?i=1000438179398
Michelle Borba
https://omny.fm/shows/the-fight-for-grade-level-reading/ep-4-dr-michelle-borba-on-how-empathy-is-a-teachab
Dr. Marc Brackett
https://www.characterstrong.com/blog/159/podcast-s2-ep13-permission-to-feel-emotions-matter-dr-marc-brackett